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2009 Year in Review predictions already coming true!
Submitted by saraneppl on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 11:35amWell, I have to say, sometimes it's hard not knowing much about sports - especially when the first Year in Review prediction to come true is very much about sports!
On Friday at our Year in Review program, Washington State Attorney General Rob McKenna predicted that UW football player Jake Locker would return for his senior year with the Huskies. In that moment, I had the opportunity to put that prediction out on our Twitter stream - which would enable me, now, to point that stream and say "You heard it here first, folks!" Instead, I tweeted this: "McKenna - by the latter part of 2010 we'll see actual economy growth, and something about sports? (Sorry, I know nothing about sports!)"
Ouch! Today, The Seattle Times reports it's true.
Technically, if you were at Year in Review or have seen the video, you did still hear it here first. With no help from our Twitter feed, alas! (Now, if that prediction has been about the Rat City Rollergirls, then we would have been in business!)
Stay tuned for more possible prediction fulfillment as 2010 progresses. In the meantime, we'll have video and more photos from Year in Review up soon!
- Sara @ CityClub
On Friday at our Year in Review program, Washington State Attorney General Rob McKenna predicted that UW football player Jake Locker would return for his senior year with the Huskies. In that moment, I had the opportunity to put that prediction out on our Twitter stream - which would enable me, now, to point that stream and say "You heard it here first, folks!" Instead, I tweeted this: "McKenna - by the latter part of 2010 we'll see actual economy growth, and something about sports? (Sorry, I know nothing about sports!)"
Ouch! Today, The Seattle Times reports it's true.
Technically, if you were at Year in Review or have seen the video, you did still hear it here first. With no help from our Twitter feed, alas! (Now, if that prediction has been about the Rat City Rollergirls, then we would have been in business!)
Stay tuned for more possible prediction fulfillment as 2010 progresses. In the meantime, we'll have video and more photos from Year in Review up soon!
- Sara @ CityClub
Year in Review on TVW
Submitted by saraneppl on Wed, 12/09/2009 - 5:20pmCan't attend Year in Review tomorrow? You're disappointed, I know (I would be too!) but don't worry: TVW already knows when they'll be broadcasting the program on television - so if you happen to be up at 3:00 a.m. on Wednesday, December 16 (for example)... now you have a plan!
Tuesday, December 15th - 7:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m.
Wednesday, December 16th - 3:00 a.m., 6:00 a.m., 11:00 a.m., 2:00 p.m.
Friday, December 18th - 7:00 p.m., 10:00 p.m.
Sunday, December 20th - 1:30 p.m. and 8:30 p.m.
Year in Review 2008
CityClub 2010 Calendar
Submitted by saraneppl on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 4:01pmPeople often ask if we have an annual calendar of our events, so that folks can get CityClub on the calendar more in advance.
As far as I know, CityClub's never worked quite like that - or, at least, hasn't since I've been around. We aim for striking a balance between planning events in advance but leaving room for incredibly timely events that pop up at the last minute. And, of course, exact dates and times are always going to be contingent on our panelists and their availability.
However, our programming committee and task forces have worked hard to map out the topics we plan to discuss in the coming year, and when (by quarter). If you've never visited our On the Horizon page, that's where you'll find the evidence of that hard work. Keep in mind, of course, that as those timely things arise, our On the Horizon calendar is subject to shuffling around.
Since this calendar is put together by the committees, it's focused around each of our series topics. Interested in health care? Take note of the topics, and when you might be able to expect them on our calendar! And don't forget - lots of events come up as things happen in the world, or as the topics become more timely. -- READ MORE --
As far as I know, CityClub's never worked quite like that - or, at least, hasn't since I've been around. We aim for striking a balance between planning events in advance but leaving room for incredibly timely events that pop up at the last minute. And, of course, exact dates and times are always going to be contingent on our panelists and their availability.
However, our programming committee and task forces have worked hard to map out the topics we plan to discuss in the coming year, and when (by quarter). If you've never visited our On the Horizon page, that's where you'll find the evidence of that hard work. Keep in mind, of course, that as those timely things arise, our On the Horizon calendar is subject to shuffling around.
Since this calendar is put together by the committees, it's focused around each of our series topics. Interested in health care? Take note of the topics, and when you might be able to expect them on our calendar! And don't forget - lots of events come up as things happen in the world, or as the topics become more timely. -- READ MORE --
Feedback Wanted! How are you feeling about Twitter?
Submitted by saraneppl on Wed, 09/30/2009 - 9:31amWhen we first started talking about using Twitter at CityClub, much of our conversation was about tweeting from events. We'd been brainstorming ideas about how to reach more people, how to extend program content and impact beyond those folks who could actually physically attend the program.
It was also a response to the common question of whether we accepted questions for panelists in advance, or just in absentia. With the technology for livestreaming not quite available to us just yet, Twitter seemed like a good option: we could tweet snippets and quotes from the programs, and if people following the stream had questions, we could try to sneak them into the audience question period.
As our group of followers grew, we realized via feedback from followers that the tweeting from events was a little too much - it was a bit spammy. "There's a limit to what you can say in a 140 character bursts," one user responded. And it's true. I was trying to catch everything - not only the question but all of the panelist responses. It's actually an extension of a difficulty I've always had - I think everything is important. In school, the most excruciating part of a paper for me was cutting parts out. I get long-winded.
We also realized that people were following our stream for different reasons - some want info about events, links to online video, etc. Others did want that live stream from events. We tried taking some of the Twitter-from-events content and doing a sort of liveblog, but weren't happy driving traffic away from Twitter. We started to suggest Twitter Snooze so that people who didn't want our event tweets could just turn us off temporarily instead of un-following us.
Now, we're trying something new. During yesterday's "Education Series: Getting Ahead - Educating for Today's Job Market" program, we transmitted our event tweets from a new account: @CityClubLive. I peppered our original Twitter feed with just the occasional quote and a link to the new account. It has a handful of followers now (although because of our name I'm never quite sure if they think we are a rock club or a health club or civic engagement club).
Social networking is very new, and as it keeps shifting, we'll keep trying to adapt. We'd love to hear from you: How are you feeling about Twitter? In lieu of livestreaming video (we'll get there someday) how do you prefer to remotely participate? Is a liveblog a better option? Will you follow both CityClub Twitter accounts? Or will you only access it when the topic is of interest to you? If the live tweets are from a different account, do we still need to cut down on the amount of tweeting?
You tell us! -- READ MORE --
It was also a response to the common question of whether we accepted questions for panelists in advance, or just in absentia. With the technology for livestreaming not quite available to us just yet, Twitter seemed like a good option: we could tweet snippets and quotes from the programs, and if people following the stream had questions, we could try to sneak them into the audience question period.
As our group of followers grew, we realized via feedback from followers that the tweeting from events was a little too much - it was a bit spammy. "There's a limit to what you can say in a 140 character bursts," one user responded. And it's true. I was trying to catch everything - not only the question but all of the panelist responses. It's actually an extension of a difficulty I've always had - I think everything is important. In school, the most excruciating part of a paper for me was cutting parts out. I get long-winded.
We also realized that people were following our stream for different reasons - some want info about events, links to online video, etc. Others did want that live stream from events. We tried taking some of the Twitter-from-events content and doing a sort of liveblog, but weren't happy driving traffic away from Twitter. We started to suggest Twitter Snooze so that people who didn't want our event tweets could just turn us off temporarily instead of un-following us.
Now, we're trying something new. During yesterday's "Education Series: Getting Ahead - Educating for Today's Job Market" program, we transmitted our event tweets from a new account: @CityClubLive. I peppered our original Twitter feed with just the occasional quote and a link to the new account. It has a handful of followers now (although because of our name I'm never quite sure if they think we are a rock club or a health club or civic engagement club).
Social networking is very new, and as it keeps shifting, we'll keep trying to adapt. We'd love to hear from you: How are you feeling about Twitter? In lieu of livestreaming video (we'll get there someday) how do you prefer to remotely participate? Is a liveblog a better option? Will you follow both CityClub Twitter accounts? Or will you only access it when the topic is of interest to you? If the live tweets are from a different account, do we still need to cut down on the amount of tweeting?
You tell us! -- READ MORE --
SETI: Social Effects of a Detection
Submitted by saraneppl on Thu, 08/20/2009 - 8:49amThis blogger is off to the Comcast Social Media Conference this afternoon, so today's post will be a quick one, but we really wanted to share this link.
Another CityClub staffer, while poking around SETI's website, found this interesting section discussing potential social effects of a detection. It is very clearly stated by SETI that should they ever "make contact" (so to speak), everyone would know: "Regarding the immediate consequences of success, it's worth pointing out that there will be no hiding of the discovery. If any signal is unambiguously verified as being extraterrestrial, it will be openly announced."
I'm sure, right about now, half a dozen scenes from movies wherein human encounters alien are spinning through your brain. Mass chaos? Silent wonder? What are the criteria for a signal to be "unambiguously verified"? Is the movie you're in Independence Day? War of the Worlds? Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Contact? Perhaps the now-in-theaters District 9? What do you think would happen?
Clicking the link above can lead you to a lot of other interesting places: background science of SETI, fact vs. fiction regarding Contact (which is based on CityClub panelist Dr. Jill Tarter). Check it out, click around - and make sure to join us on August 27 at the Science Fiction Museum for our conversation with Dr. Tarter and Dr. Don Brownlee, "The Search for Extraterrestrial Life: Is Anything or Anybody Out There?" (Seriously, guys - how can you even think of missing this?)
Another CityClub staffer, while poking around SETI's website, found this interesting section discussing potential social effects of a detection. It is very clearly stated by SETI that should they ever "make contact" (so to speak), everyone would know: "Regarding the immediate consequences of success, it's worth pointing out that there will be no hiding of the discovery. If any signal is unambiguously verified as being extraterrestrial, it will be openly announced."
I'm sure, right about now, half a dozen scenes from movies wherein human encounters alien are spinning through your brain. Mass chaos? Silent wonder? What are the criteria for a signal to be "unambiguously verified"? Is the movie you're in Independence Day? War of the Worlds? Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Contact? Perhaps the now-in-theaters District 9? What do you think would happen?
Clicking the link above can lead you to a lot of other interesting places: background science of SETI, fact vs. fiction regarding Contact (which is based on CityClub panelist Dr. Jill Tarter). Check it out, click around - and make sure to join us on August 27 at the Science Fiction Museum for our conversation with Dr. Tarter and Dr. Don Brownlee, "The Search for Extraterrestrial Life: Is Anything or Anybody Out There?" (Seriously, guys - how can you even think of missing this?)
Liveblog: The Art of Living Well at Any Age
Submitted by saraneppl on Tue, 08/18/2009 - 9:23amCasual liveblogging - some quotes that don't fit in the Twitter feed! (Short, but sweet. Check back at our website at the end of the week for video from The Seattle Channel.)
"If you do not age deliberately, things aren't going to be as good for you as they could be." (Klein)
"The way we have control is we think about what things that are going to be bumps in the road. There always are." (Fordyce)
"What is important is if they have a plan for their lives about what to do in any of those situations with any disability including dementias, and they share that plan with their families and friends, when those crises happen they are able to bounce back from them to the extent that they can." (Fordyce)
-- Fordyce points out that in some circumstances it is significantly cheaper for someone over 75 to take a cab every single day than to pay for a car and insurance. (Based on distance, of course)
"I don't take taxis I have a driver, and the drivers on I-5 said thank god!" (Smart)
Schorr asking about "an operating system" for aging. Klein: "For me, personally, I'm a planner. But I can't adequately prepare for everything that can happen to me, so I have to do a little more work on my attitude of openness to whatever it is that's going to happen."
"The people are saying they look in the mirror and feel no different than they did when they were 20 - they aren't in touch with the ways they have changed." (Klein)
Onward!
Submitted by saraneppl on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 11:48amAs we move steadily through our first month in our new space
- an office in the Rainier Square Atrium - we can slowly see our ideas and
visions for
One of the many transitions we've made during this time
period is to move our events from downtown hotels into a conference room here
in
But it's a small adjustment to make for the ability to offer lower ticket prices. We've had four or five events in the Atrium so far, and every time we host a program there, it becomes many times easier. We've adjusted to the room, learned what to ask for from our catering company. We've discovered all the little things we need that used to be provide by hotels - a coat rack, for example! A clock, so our moderator knows when it's time for audience questions! Our last program in the Atrium - late March's National Cover the Uninsured Week panel - was our first event in the space after moving in to the building, and it was amazing to just take our supplies up one flight of stairs (or up the elevator) rather than roll them across downtown!
(Have you been to one of our programs in the new Rainier Square Atrium space? What are your suggestions? Anything we're forgetting? Anything you love?)
As for our working office space, it's come a long way since we signed a lease! New carpets, new light switches, and lots of elbow grease - we're fully operational. We have distinct phases of improvement, and we're still solidly in Phase One. We're always preparing for Phase Two - one part of which is being able to hold small programs of about 40-50 attendees within our actual office.
Ideal for our Rapid Response Series, we have a large room
that, though unfinished, will someday be a place where we can hold events on
short notice. For things that are particularly timely, or that come together
very quickly, this allows us to still hold a program even if it's too late to
book a "proper" meeting space. We're nowhere near ready to host a
program in there just yet, but we're ready to invite our members to be a part
of it: this year we're combining our Annual Meeting with a
Aside from the wine, cheese, and chocolate, the exciting part is the opportunity to help us build. (Although the chocolate part is really exciting!) We're stealing an idea from Pike Place Market, but instead of named tiles, a donation gives our members the chance to name our chairs. (We certainly can't host 40-50 people without 40-50 chairs!) Imagine it! Your name on the back of a chair in the new CityClub office, assisting in our mission by allowing the show to go on in a comfortable manner.
(This program is Members Only, but
CityClub on Twitter - live from events!
Submitted by saraneppl on Fri, 03/27/2009 - 9:57amOne challenge we've discovered with Twitter - though we love it - is how to direct folks to the feed from a program after the event has passed. Direct linking to single tweets is possible, but can you also direct link to an entire day of tweets?
There's been some demand, so this is a call - if you have tips or know where we can find the answer, please comment! Currently we've signed up for LoudTwitter, a program that aggregates all your tweets from one day and sends them to you, time-stamped, in email form, at a time of day you pre-select. (We're getting our LoudTwitter email once a day at 11 p.m.)
For now, the blog provides an easy outlet for this collection of Tweets. After a bit of a fight with the copy and paste feature in our blogging tool, we're ready to share. The feed below covers the entire length of the program.
...and while we're speaking of Twitter, our feed was mentioned at CHS Capitol Hill Seattle Blog a few days ago! Justin Carder, panelist for our "Tough Times in the Livable City" panel, used feed from that program when discussing Michael McGinn's announcement that he's running for mayor. Check it out!
• 09:43 We'll be tweeting from our privacy forum at noon, so check back around noon! #
• 12:17 Are you ready? As always, if you have questions tweet them at us - we'll try to get them answered! #
• 12:18 Brush up on panelists and topic: tinyurl.com/ck5uvo #
• 12:20 C.R.'s plugging a later Seattle Channel program about the city's snow response! That will be interesting. #
• 12:22 CR introducing the topic (most interesting, about establishing ground rules for privacy online) and introducing the panelists. #
• 12:23 To Brueggerman: Tell us what AT&T is doing! #
• 12:24 Brueggeman: Talking up personalized experience that comes with sharing online, social networking etc. #
• 12:25 AT&T started talking about privacy policy last summer - "what is the right way to deal with this so that the customers get the benefit?" #
• 12:25 To McKenna: What is your worry? McKenna -- worry about young people on the internet esp. with so many problems with online predators. #
• 12:26 Have negotiated agreements with Myspace, Facebook. #
• 12:27 Not just predators but also each other -- online bullying, misuse of info. #
• 12:27 Second concern is consumer protection. Seen big increase in online marketing; large increase in complaints. #
• 12:28 Discussing "free to pay" services - services that start out free and consumers don't realize they will be charged eventually, etc. #
• 12:28 Working on negotiation, legislation and public education. #
• 12:29 Klunder @ ACLU - concerned about growth of personal info collected by corporations. #
• 12:29 "When we're sitting at home on the internet" we feel more like things are private, but that may be where we're watched most. #
• 12:29 Concerned about "how info flows" and who has control of it. Very concerned when advertising info flows to government agencies. #
• 12:30 It's been very difficult to find out how government is using the info, if/how they create "watch lists." #
• 12:31 CR went to Monica's facebook this morning! To Monica: Do you worry about all the stuff on facebook? #
• 12:31 Monica: "I feel very comfortable with my own ability to know what I want to share and what I don't want to share." #
• 12:32 Discussing Facebook's gradient privacy settings, "don't post anything I wouldn't want to see on a blog somewhere." #
• 12:33 Talking about whether or not younger generations WANT targeted advertising. #
• 12:34 To Brueggeman: Explain targeted advertising / behavioral and interest based #
• 12:34 "When you go from NBC.com to ESPN.com it's not intuitive to you that someone is making a connection in that behavior." #
• 12:35 Advertising systems working in the background of webpages can track your surfing. "Google is at least annoucing they're doing it." #
• 12:36 McKenna: I recognize that tracking is made possible by voluntary behavior on the part of the user. #
• 12:36 "The question is are you moving around in a public space or a private space when you do that?" (McKenna) #
• 12:37 "We're struggling to come to grips with the balance between the convenience of the internet and the idea that someone is keeping track" #
• 12:38 Discussing how we have given this information freely - idea of "celebrity" or "narcissism" vs innate desire for privacy. #
• 12:38 "Have we all provided so much information that it's really too late?" (McKenna) #
• 12:39 McKenna prefers "opt-in" -- that you MUST actively choose to let your information be shared. #
• 12:40 European young people are also choosing to "opt-in" and share a lot of information. #
• 12:41 @moniguzman is tweeting while she's on the panel. #
• 12:41 CR is asking about, "Do you know where your tweets go?" #
• 12:42 CR: "The kids seemed to like this" interest based advertising. #
• 12:42 Monica suggests young people are okay with this because "we haven't been in the world long enough" to understand the consequences. #
• 12:42 Or to have accumulated things that could be used against us. #
• 12:43 Klunder: Do companies know what's in your email, can they use it to track you? #
• 12:43 Klunder: Google has pushed the envelope with GMail service. Scanning emails to provide targeted ads. Otherwise mostly email considered safe. #
• 12:44 GMail ads so far not as successful as Google hoped, according to Klunder. #
• 12:44 Klunder: "It's not entirely clear if opt-in is legally required." #
• 12:45 Response to McKenna: "We've voluntarily provided this information for specific purposes." Not assuming your info will be shared w/o consent. #
• 12:46 Monica interjecting with Facebook uproar re: uploaded photos, etc. #
• 12:46 Young people still don't want info shared for unknown purposes without consent. #
• 12:47 McKenna: "We still have a strong concept of privacy around our communications." Email should be much more private, vs a blog post. #
• 12:47 Should email be where the line is drawn? Re: email and advertising. #
• 12:49 McKenna discussing legislation to creat more of an "opt-in" regime -- rather than a buried check-box to opt-out. More conscious choice. #
• 12:50 Klunder: I" think it's a spiral. Governments aren't nearly as good at collecting information as private entities are." \ #
• 12:50 Klunder: But they can GET it from the private entities. #
• 12:51 To Brueggeman: policies about locating people by phone tracking? #
• 12:52 Brueggeman: the new times of info (re: geolocation) - this policy/opinion is still evolving - "as a provider we're looking for clear rules" #
• 12:52 Brueggeman: Would rather have customers/legislation telling them what is desired. #
• 12:53 Can the industry self-regulate? #
• 12:55 To Klunder. What about the info that is on dating sites: ever a concern from the ACLU about that info? #
• 12:56 Klunder: That's a great example of putting info out there for a very specific purpose, but not expecting it to be yanked for other purposes. #
• 12:56 Monica: "The internet moves so much faster than the law." #
• 12:58 Monica: discussing companies trying to getting in on social networking. Starting Twitter and Facebook accounts, etc. #
• 12:59 Audience question time - anyone? #
• 13:00 Peter Wilson from Google is in the audience, up at the audience mic to offer a little defense! #
• 13:00 Talking about the value of targeting ads. Speaking as an "individual and a father." #
• 13:02 Klunder: "What Google is doing isn't radically different than other companies" - we tend to pick on them because they are the big guys. #
• 13:03 Klunder: websites that are all using the same ad server can track all your activity throught he ad server. #
• 13:04 Klunder: They may start with only your IP address, but at some point you'll give more information and then they can link the two. #
• 13:04 To McKenna: questions of identity theft. #
• 13:04 Most ID theft starts with phishing emails. #
• 13:05 Bigger concern is data breach: someone we've entrusted with our information LOSES it - accounts for a third of ID theft. #
• 13:05 McKenna: Working with companies to protect that information. #
• 13:07 Klunder: bigger ID theft concern is people getting arrested/convicted and giving someone else's name. #
• 13:08 Brueggeman: There is an opportunity for the industry to help customers learn to protect themselves and improve security. #
• 13:09 Audience question for McKenna - what can you do different state by state vs nationally? #
• 13:09 McKenna: "Feds are really far behind when it comes to adopting national standards." #
• 13:13 Klunder: Need to develop new social norms. These things are new, we're still figuring out these things; no historical comparison. #
• 13:13 Klunder: "Is an IM like talking to a friend or writing a letter?" Until we figure this out, regulation might not work. #
• 13:14 Guzman: Everyone's looking for an answer but there isn't one. #
• 13:15 Guzman: telling story of friend who was captured by Google Earth and LOVED it. #
• 13:16 @mylesfong McKenna: certainly people who are "creeped out" by pictures at street level and satellite. "People are culturally ambivalent." #
• 13:16 McKenna: I think that because people don't see nefarious implications, there hasn't been a blowback. Still exploring where those lines are. #
• 13:16 Brueggeman: "Information doesn't go away anymore." #
• 13:17 Brueggeman: "My daughter has a google entry, and she's 9." #
• 13:18 @mylesfong Got your first question asked; sounds like nobody on the panel is too concerned now; back to the idea of transition/new standards #
• 13:20 Panelists now giving advice to audience member who asked details about how to be safe; what are the worst things out there? #
• 13:23 Audience question: What are you working on or what can we do for ourselves to protect our right to/expectation of privacy from govt? #
• 13:23 Audience member asks, "Who are you suing?" Laughter all around. #
• 13:23 Klunder: Washington State has more protections than many other states. Local govt is somewhat prohibited from accessing information. #
• 13:25 Klunder: "Most important thing you can do is throw away your cell phone." Tracking device, "you might as well have a beacon in your pocket." #
• 13:25 "They know where your phone is and where it HAS been." #
• 13:26 Brueggeman: GPS information is there that can be used by law enforcement. If our customers are concerned about this we wnat to know. #
• 13:26 McKenna: We're conflicted about what we want re: technology vs. privacy. #
• 13:27 McKenna: "Not particularly optimistic about personal privacy" in the coming years. Technology will move past any laws that get made. #
• 13:28 Thanks for sticking around for our program - we'll link video as soon as it's uploaded to TVW.org! Happy Friday, all. #
• 15:14 We're moving this weekend, so we'll be unreachable by phone or email. Please hold tight! We should be back up and operational by March 24. #
There's been some demand, so this is a call - if you have tips or know where we can find the answer, please comment! Currently we've signed up for LoudTwitter, a program that aggregates all your tweets from one day and sends them to you, time-stamped, in email form, at a time of day you pre-select. (We're getting our LoudTwitter email once a day at 11 p.m.)
For now, the blog provides an easy outlet for this collection of Tweets. After a bit of a fight with the copy and paste feature in our blogging tool, we're ready to share. The feed below covers the entire length of the program.
...and while we're speaking of Twitter, our feed was mentioned at CHS Capitol Hill Seattle Blog a few days ago! Justin Carder, panelist for our "Tough Times in the Livable City" panel, used feed from that program when discussing Michael McGinn's announcement that he's running for mayor. Check it out!
********************
• 09:43 We'll be tweeting from our privacy forum at noon, so check back around noon! #
• 12:17 Are you ready? As always, if you have questions tweet them at us - we'll try to get them answered! #
• 12:18 Brush up on panelists and topic: tinyurl.com/ck5uvo #
• 12:20 C.R.'s plugging a later Seattle Channel program about the city's snow response! That will be interesting. #
• 12:22 CR introducing the topic (most interesting, about establishing ground rules for privacy online) and introducing the panelists. #
• 12:23 To Brueggerman: Tell us what AT&T is doing! #
• 12:24 Brueggeman: Talking up personalized experience that comes with sharing online, social networking etc. #
• 12:25 AT&T started talking about privacy policy last summer - "what is the right way to deal with this so that the customers get the benefit?" #
• 12:25 To McKenna: What is your worry? McKenna -- worry about young people on the internet esp. with so many problems with online predators. #
• 12:26 Have negotiated agreements with Myspace, Facebook. #
• 12:27 Not just predators but also each other -- online bullying, misuse of info. #
• 12:27 Second concern is consumer protection. Seen big increase in online marketing; large increase in complaints. #
• 12:28 Discussing "free to pay" services - services that start out free and consumers don't realize they will be charged eventually, etc. #
• 12:28 Working on negotiation, legislation and public education. #
• 12:29 Klunder @ ACLU - concerned about growth of personal info collected by corporations. #
• 12:29 "When we're sitting at home on the internet" we feel more like things are private, but that may be where we're watched most. #
• 12:29 Concerned about "how info flows" and who has control of it. Very concerned when advertising info flows to government agencies. #
• 12:30 It's been very difficult to find out how government is using the info, if/how they create "watch lists." #
• 12:31 CR went to Monica's facebook this morning! To Monica: Do you worry about all the stuff on facebook? #
• 12:31 Monica: "I feel very comfortable with my own ability to know what I want to share and what I don't want to share." #
• 12:32 Discussing Facebook's gradient privacy settings, "don't post anything I wouldn't want to see on a blog somewhere." #
• 12:33 Talking about whether or not younger generations WANT targeted advertising. #
• 12:34 To Brueggeman: Explain targeted advertising / behavioral and interest based #
• 12:34 "When you go from NBC.com to ESPN.com it's not intuitive to you that someone is making a connection in that behavior." #
• 12:35 Advertising systems working in the background of webpages can track your surfing. "Google is at least annoucing they're doing it." #
• 12:36 McKenna: I recognize that tracking is made possible by voluntary behavior on the part of the user. #
• 12:36 "The question is are you moving around in a public space or a private space when you do that?" (McKenna) #
• 12:37 "We're struggling to come to grips with the balance between the convenience of the internet and the idea that someone is keeping track" #
• 12:38 Discussing how we have given this information freely - idea of "celebrity" or "narcissism" vs innate desire for privacy. #
• 12:38 "Have we all provided so much information that it's really too late?" (McKenna) #
• 12:39 McKenna prefers "opt-in" -- that you MUST actively choose to let your information be shared. #
• 12:40 European young people are also choosing to "opt-in" and share a lot of information. #
• 12:41 @moniguzman is tweeting while she's on the panel. #
• 12:41 CR is asking about, "Do you know where your tweets go?" #
• 12:42 CR: "The kids seemed to like this" interest based advertising. #
• 12:42 Monica suggests young people are okay with this because "we haven't been in the world long enough" to understand the consequences. #
• 12:42 Or to have accumulated things that could be used against us. #
• 12:43 Klunder: Do companies know what's in your email, can they use it to track you? #
• 12:43 Klunder: Google has pushed the envelope with GMail service. Scanning emails to provide targeted ads. Otherwise mostly email considered safe. #
• 12:44 GMail ads so far not as successful as Google hoped, according to Klunder. #
• 12:44 Klunder: "It's not entirely clear if opt-in is legally required." #
• 12:45 Response to McKenna: "We've voluntarily provided this information for specific purposes." Not assuming your info will be shared w/o consent. #
• 12:46 Monica interjecting with Facebook uproar re: uploaded photos, etc. #
• 12:46 Young people still don't want info shared for unknown purposes without consent. #
• 12:47 McKenna: "We still have a strong concept of privacy around our communications." Email should be much more private, vs a blog post. #
• 12:47 Should email be where the line is drawn? Re: email and advertising. #
• 12:49 McKenna discussing legislation to creat more of an "opt-in" regime -- rather than a buried check-box to opt-out. More conscious choice. #
• 12:50 Klunder: I" think it's a spiral. Governments aren't nearly as good at collecting information as private entities are." \ #
• 12:50 Klunder: But they can GET it from the private entities. #
• 12:51 To Brueggeman: policies about locating people by phone tracking? #
• 12:52 Brueggeman: the new times of info (re: geolocation) - this policy/opinion is still evolving - "as a provider we're looking for clear rules" #
• 12:52 Brueggeman: Would rather have customers/legislation telling them what is desired. #
• 12:53 Can the industry self-regulate? #
• 12:55 To Klunder. What about the info that is on dating sites: ever a concern from the ACLU about that info? #
• 12:56 Klunder: That's a great example of putting info out there for a very specific purpose, but not expecting it to be yanked for other purposes. #
• 12:56 Monica: "The internet moves so much faster than the law." #
• 12:58 Monica: discussing companies trying to getting in on social networking. Starting Twitter and Facebook accounts, etc. #
• 12:59 Audience question time - anyone? #
• 13:00 Peter Wilson from Google is in the audience, up at the audience mic to offer a little defense! #
• 13:00 Talking about the value of targeting ads. Speaking as an "individual and a father." #
• 13:02 Klunder: "What Google is doing isn't radically different than other companies" - we tend to pick on them because they are the big guys. #
• 13:03 Klunder: websites that are all using the same ad server can track all your activity throught he ad server. #
• 13:04 Klunder: They may start with only your IP address, but at some point you'll give more information and then they can link the two. #
• 13:04 To McKenna: questions of identity theft. #
• 13:04 Most ID theft starts with phishing emails. #
• 13:05 Bigger concern is data breach: someone we've entrusted with our information LOSES it - accounts for a third of ID theft. #
• 13:05 McKenna: Working with companies to protect that information. #
• 13:07 Klunder: bigger ID theft concern is people getting arrested/convicted and giving someone else's name. #
• 13:08 Brueggeman: There is an opportunity for the industry to help customers learn to protect themselves and improve security. #
• 13:09 Audience question for McKenna - what can you do different state by state vs nationally? #
• 13:09 McKenna: "Feds are really far behind when it comes to adopting national standards." #
• 13:13 Klunder: Need to develop new social norms. These things are new, we're still figuring out these things; no historical comparison. #
• 13:13 Klunder: "Is an IM like talking to a friend or writing a letter?" Until we figure this out, regulation might not work. #
• 13:14 Guzman: Everyone's looking for an answer but there isn't one. #
• 13:15 Guzman: telling story of friend who was captured by Google Earth and LOVED it. #
• 13:16 @mylesfong McKenna: certainly people who are "creeped out" by pictures at street level and satellite. "People are culturally ambivalent." #
• 13:16 McKenna: I think that because people don't see nefarious implications, there hasn't been a blowback. Still exploring where those lines are. #
• 13:16 Brueggeman: "Information doesn't go away anymore." #
• 13:17 Brueggeman: "My daughter has a google entry, and she's 9." #
• 13:18 @mylesfong Got your first question asked; sounds like nobody on the panel is too concerned now; back to the idea of transition/new standards #
• 13:20 Panelists now giving advice to audience member who asked details about how to be safe; what are the worst things out there? #
• 13:23 Audience question: What are you working on or what can we do for ourselves to protect our right to/expectation of privacy from govt? #
• 13:23 Audience member asks, "Who are you suing?" Laughter all around. #
• 13:23 Klunder: Washington State has more protections than many other states. Local govt is somewhat prohibited from accessing information. #
• 13:25 Klunder: "Most important thing you can do is throw away your cell phone." Tracking device, "you might as well have a beacon in your pocket." #
• 13:25 "They know where your phone is and where it HAS been." #
• 13:26 Brueggeman: GPS information is there that can be used by law enforcement. If our customers are concerned about this we wnat to know. #
• 13:26 McKenna: We're conflicted about what we want re: technology vs. privacy. #
• 13:27 McKenna: "Not particularly optimistic about personal privacy" in the coming years. Technology will move past any laws that get made. #
• 13:28 Thanks for sticking around for our program - we'll link video as soon as it's uploaded to TVW.org! Happy Friday, all. #
• 15:14 We're moving this weekend, so we'll be unreachable by phone or email. Please hold tight! We should be back up and operational by March 24. #
Video: 3/20/09 "Online & Out There: In the Internet Era, is Personal Privacy a Thing of the Past?"
Submitted by saraneppl on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 12:06pmThis just in! On Friday's forum: "When you talk about losing privacy, what are you really afraid of?"
Submitted by saraneppl on Thu, 03/19/2009 - 2:03pmMonica Guzman, over at Seattle P-I's Big Blog, is another of our panelists for tomorrow's program "Online & Out There: In the Internet Era, Is Personal Privacy a Thing of the Past?" When she returned our short pre-event questionnaire today, we knew we had to share her point. What follows is her contribution to "Things to Think About":
It’s not that personal privacy is disappearing – it’s that it’s being redefined. A generation of young people accustomed to sharing parts of themselves online are introducing a different understanding of privacy to the larger society, one that doesn’t care that much if people they’ve never met know what they had for breakfast, what their favorite movie is or what YouTube video they liked that morning. The reason? This generation is finding that sharing can be rewarding, and can far outweigh the risks.
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